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Curcumin for Joint Pain and my new best friend

I just stumbled upon a new remedy for joint pain and overall inflammation, well the idea is new to me.  Apparently Turmeric, the spice, has anti inflammatory and anti oxidant qualities when taken regularly.  There are several ways to use it.  One of the ones that interested me was as a tea but you can also take a supplement called curcumin extract.  I found the curcumin extract at Walmart made by “Pure Health” it contains 95% curcuminoids and also has vitamin C 80mg, the curcumin extract amount in it is 500mg.  At Walmart this was $9.95 for 30 of them and says to take 2 of them 3 times a day although the article I read said you only need 200 mg per day.  I looked online today and found a better deal at Amazon, they had a 700mg curcumin supplement $14.99 for 120 of them so I ordered those.   If you are interested you can find them here:    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AQLGFHK/ref=cm_cr_ryp_prd_ttl_sol_0

I read an article yesterday written by a Dr Mercola


who said that he found that his patients found more pain relief from taking curcumin than from taking

“In the latest study of osteoarthritis patients, those who added 200 mg of curcumin a day to their treatment plan had reduced pain and increased mobility, whereas the control group, which received no curcumin, had no significant improvements.

A past study also found that a turmeric extract composed of curcuminoids (plant-based nutrients that contain powerful antioxidant properties) blocked inflammatory pathways, effectively preventing the launch of a protein that triggers swelling and pain.” Dr Mercola’s statement

NSAIDs and it’s definitely a lot safer and gentler on your stomach which is why I am so willing to try it.  Lately, on top of the back pain I have had a lot of pain in my joints like wrists, knees, ankles and hips.  Rheumatoid arthritis runs in the family but I have tested negative several times for it, most recently 3 months ago although 30% of people with RA do test negative.

I have also started walking almost every morning on my treadmill. I have known for a long time now that I needed to be moving more and that exercising would decrease my pain level and increase my mobility it’s just hard to imagine moving more when you are in so much pain all the time so I admit I have been procrastinating.   I got the deal of the century on Craigslist about a month ago.  There was a Nordictrack treadmill listed for $100, I contacted the seller within hours of him listing it and offered him $75 and he said yes.  When I saw it I couldn’t believe my eyes, it is like new, has built in fans, 12% incline, pre-programmed workouts, pulse reader, a port to plug in your laptop or Ifit device all the bells and whistles.  Check it out:!

My new best friend!

So now I set my alarm for 4:55am instead of 5:30 3 days a week so I can spend 30 minutes interval training as physical therapy for my back issues and believe me the last thing I want to do at the hour of the morning is work out but I can’t deny that once I am done I feel so much better and my pain is decreased not only then but for the whole day, it must be the exercise endorphins.  I have also incorporated hand weights for my upper arms while I am walking to help with those tricep muscles, I really don’t want those flappy old lady arms HAHA.    I am on week 3 of consistent exercise and I do feel better on the days when I walk so I really need to push myself to “just do it” every morning.

Here is the recipe for the Turmeric tea tincture, you mix this up and keep it in a jar in the fridge and mix about a teaspoonful into a cup of hot water for tea.

1 cup honey, 2 ½ tablespoons Turmeric, 2 tablespoons ginger, 1 ½ teaspoons black pepper

There is also a recipe for Turmeric milk to relieve cold symptoms and for healing from surgery or traumatic injury.  I haven’t tried it yet but plan to keep the recipe on hand.  I am sharing it here in case anyone reading this wants to try it now:

2 cups milk, 1 teaspoon turmeric, 1 teaspoon ginger, a sprinkle of black pepper, honey to taste

Mix all ingredients in a saucepan, heat to simmer, keep stirring for 2 minutes, cover and shut off heat and let sit for 10 minutes before serving.

The next step in my pain management treatment is another rhizotomy, it’s been 6 months since my last one (I had hoped to be the one it lasted a year for) and the pain has been slowly increasing since May and at this point has worked its way back up to about a 7-8 daily on the pain scale.  I am on 2 new medicines, Nucynta and Topamax and off of the Butrans patch.  So far this combination is working fairly well but I do have enough breakthrough pain that the rhizotomy is warranted as much as I dread having to go through that again.  It’s not scheduled yet but it will be the same as I wrote about in February of this year, I will re-post that when I have it done.

As usual, thanks for reading, I will let you know if I feel like the curcumin is helping with the joint pain and please feel free to let me know if you try it as well what you think of it or if you are already taking it please share what you think of  it.


Having an infiltration anesthesia test and probable Rhyzotomy

***** 1-30-14: Update #2, I had the test last week and it worked, I was pain free for the first time in 17 years, it was injected lidocaine so it only last 24 hours but it means I can have the Rhyzotomy that has not been scheduled for February 5th.  The doctor I work for is off the 6th and 7th so if I need those days to recover I can take them easier than if she is here.  The website said it may take a week to recover and it is considered a surgical procedure.  I will have more pain for the first week at least and it will provide about 6 months relief.  I have new insurance so that if I have it done at the hospital I work for there is no copay so nothing out of pocket, so much better than last year.  I will keep you posted but the test injections were nothing to be worried about, no pain after at all.Click below for a link for the description given by the practice I go to and who will do the procedure.


*****Update 6-27-2013 These 2 procedures have been put on hold for financial reasons.  I had no idea how expensive they were and the practice wants me to pay me entire balance even though I have been making regular payments to them and really my insurance is excellent, they have collected tens of thousands from my insurance in the last 18 months I have been there.  So I have an appt with a PA (the same one I have been seeing who really doesn’t understand pain) on July 3rd at 230pm.  I will update more on what my other options are after that appt.  I was very disappointed by having to postpone this potential for relief.

Well I am so disappointed to report that the news at my spine doctor’s appt yesterday was not at all what I was hoping to hear.  I was really hoping they would say that I still have pain because I was originally told it would take a full year to recover completely and to expect it to taper off and in the meantime we can just treat it with medication albeit lower strength medication than before which is fine with me and actually preferable. I want to avoid all of the oxy-codones at all costs.

Instead, the PA took out my MRI report and told me something I didn’t know before I had the surgery back in October.  What I knew then was that I had 3 herniated discs L3, 4 and 5 as well as some facet joint damage from these discs being herniated and that L4 also had a tear in it.  I could only have 2 discs repaired in a surgery so they replaced the worst ones, L4 to S1 with titanium implants and told me that L3 was damaged but not as severely but I could expect it to cause pain in years to come and actually it is now with pain in my left thigh.  With all this being said, apparently I also have problems from L1 all the way down.  The vertebral joints all have arthritis (most likely from the years of having the injury putting more stress on them than would be normal for my age) and she used the term Spondylolysis: “A weakness or fracture between the upper and lower facets of a vertebra. If the vertebra slips forward (spondylolisthesis), it can compress the nerve roots causing pain.”   So, this is the reason I am still having pain all these months after surgery.  I have tried so hard to will it away, stay active (those of you that know me know that sitting still is not something I am good at) and was beginning to feel that this was a weakness in my character that I couldn’t rise above the pain and was still resorting to medicating it.


So here is the game plan, next Wed the 19th, I am having a procedure is called infiltration anesthesia  where local anesthesia is produced by injection of the anesthetic solution in the area of terminal nerve endings.  In my case L1-3 since they can’t do anything with the ones that have had surgical intervention.  If this produces pain relief, I am supposed to call the next day and tell them, if it does relieve my pain, then I am a candidate for a Rhizotomy.  This is the scary part; if it doesn’t relieve my pain at all then I don’t know what the Plan B is.  But the following is a description and indications for Rhizotomy as found on this website: 


“Basis, indications and risk



It is the destruction of the nerves in the facet joints, normally by burning them with radiofrequency current.


To improve pain in instances of facet joint degeneration.

Theoretical base

There are no nerves in the cartilage of the facet joint. These are located in the bone placed underneath. This is why joint degeneration may not cause problems until the bone is affected. When this occurs, pain nerves are activated, with the subsequent onset of pain.

Conceptually, rhizotomy aims at destroying the nerves in the facet joint to eliminate pain sensation. It is usually performed by burning the joint nerves. Obviously, this procedure is only considered in those cases in which pain is due to activation of these nerves by facet joint disorders.

However, each facet joint enfolds nerves from two, and in some individuals three, different vertebral levels. Thus, for example, the facet joint between the fourth and fifth lumbar vertebrae may receive nerves that originate from, for example, the third, fourth and fifth lumbar level. Therefore, nerve destruction of only one of these levels may have no effect, or have a temporary effect until the remaining nerves take on its nerve field.

Also, it was traditionally believed that all pain nerves reached the medulla through the posterior root, which permitted the localization of the site where nerves had to be destroyed to eliminate the pain originated in the facet joint. However, recent studies show that, although there are individual variations, in some individuals up to 20% of pain nerves reach the medulla through the anterior root. Muscle nerves also pass through this root so it cannot be destroyed since, in doing so, it would cause paralysis of the innervated muscles.

It may only be indicated in cases that comply with the following criteria:


The existing evidence based recommendations do not recommend rhizotomy, essentially because they are focused on the treatment of acute cases and rhizotomy can only be considered in chronic cases.  It may only be indicated in cases that comply with the following criteria:

 Characteristics of pain:

    1. local pain with no radiated pain nor signs of nervous compression (such as loss of strength or reflex or sensibility alterations)
    2. Pain resistant to non-surgical treatments for more than 12 months.
  1. Pain origin:
    1. Rhizotomy should not be performed on patients whose other organic alterations of the spine may explain the pain.
    2. – It must be assured that pain results from alterations of the facet joint. This is the most important criterion to recommend rhizotomy and also the most difficult one to prove. The detection of signs of joint degeneration through radiological test is not enough, since many healthy persons have it. To verify it, a test with anesthetics is needed (see below).
  2. Test with anesthetics:
    1. – Before a rhizotomy treatment, an anesthetic infiltration test at the joint should be done. If pain is due to the activation of nerves at the joint, pain should disappear completely. Some authors recommend doing three infiltrations spaced out in time; two with anesthetics and one with a placebo (substance of similar appearance but with no effect), without letting the patient know which is which).
    2.  ***** this is what I described above and will be having the 19th (next week)
    3. – Rhizotomy should only be performed on those patients in whom pain disappears completely with the anesthetic injections and remains unchanged with the placebo shot.
  1. Patients:
    1. – An adequate selection of patients is the key criterion to assure that Rhizotomy has acceptable chances of success.
    2. – It should only be considered on patients whose pain complies with the above described characteristics, after discarding that it may be due to any alteration different from that of the facet joint and where pain disappeared with the anesthetic infiltrations.
    3. Technique:
    4. – The destruction of the root should be performed under radiologic control, to assure it is done in the right place.
    5. – The roots of, at least, two segments should be destroyed and two or three lesions should be made at each location, to accommodate personal variations in the course of the nerve.”

So knowing all of this, I am worried, I really had hoped I would have much less pain than I do at this point being 8 months post surgery and have done all I can do myself to try and alleviate and relieve it so apparently this is the next logical step and I will definitely let you all know how these tests really feel.  Of course, I was told that they were “easy” and “not any worse” than the epidural injections and the discography test that I had before surgery.  I will keep you posted 🙂  Thanks as always for reading and I hope that the information I share is helping someone out there going through similar situations with chronic back pain and injury.